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Post by timtank on Aug 7, 2017 15:38:32 GMT
That'll be true for Old Hay and Woodchurch, but I'm pretty sure both Maypole and Manston's helipads are in use more than 28 days a year.
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Post by evets on Aug 8, 2017 10:09:13 GMT
That'll be true for Old Hay and Woodchurch, but I'm pretty sure both Maypole and Manston's helipads are in use more than 28 days a year. Tim give me the location of the Maypole strip and I'll check it the Manston Heli pads are well clear of both Palm Bay & Westbrook
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Post by malcolmf on Aug 8, 2017 11:18:59 GMT
Interesting conversations being held on here about the height restrictions and varying types of kiting.
As we normally do not fly above about 300 ft on Sundays at fly-ins Unless we are flying very close to localised airfields and helipads, I feel we are very responsible flyers, and therefore I am not going to spend time on notifying every airfield and helipad just in case we may be flying in the vicinty.
I will be writing To Lydd this week to notify them that we occassionally fly nearby and seek their reaction.
Obviously for events we are invited to co-ordinate, I seek CAA additional height permissions, such as normally for Teston, Capstone, Walmer, Brogdale. Sunday when we were at Betteshanger we had 1000ft height clearance.
It was interesting talking to one member of the public who was kite jumping, he had no idea of having to obtain personal insurance or any CAA regulations that may apply as he said he is a kite boarder. It is the unregulated flyers who are the problem, such as the Indian Fighter kiteflyers who have recently being involved with news items about having competitions with manga line somewhere on the Kentish Coast, who do not belong to clubs affilated to BKFA or similar organisations. Just hope that the regular club flyers throughout the country do not have their leisure activity curtailed by unregulated flyers as well as the problem with those who fly drones.
Steve do you happen to have the co-ordinates for the Lade car park
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Post by evets on Aug 8, 2017 15:57:57 GMT
Steve do you happen to have the co-ordinates for the Lade car park Ordnace Survey NGR 60847 12077 more often quoted as TR6084712077
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Post by Gareth Williams on Aug 8, 2017 18:18:50 GMT
With regard to airstrips and helipads, my interpretation is that if it is not a "notified aerodrome", then we can fly on their doorstep, up to 60 metres without permission. We could probably ask the CAA for a list of notified aerodromes in Kent. My suspicion is that it is a fairly short list: Lydd; Rochester and Headcorn would be my guess. That part of the regulation hasn't changed, the restrictions have only ever applied to notified aerodromes, what has changed is the total exclusion of flying within the controlled zone of notified aerodromes, rather that a restriction to flying under 30 metres.
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Post by evets on Aug 9, 2017 8:45:56 GMT
Ok I cant find out what "notified aerodrome" means but have downloaded a list of all licensed Aerodromes from the CAA site there are only three in Kent LASHENDEN (HEADCORN) LYDD ROCHESTER
Two of these affect flying sites which are Lydd affecting Lade Car Park and The Rype in Lydd & Rochester which affects Capston's events field
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Post by timtank on Aug 9, 2017 9:25:44 GMT
It was interesting talking to one member of the public who was kite jumping, he had no idea of having to obtain personal insurance or any CAA regulations that may apply as he said he is a kite boarder. Rather bears out my previous comment. It probably applies to kite surfers too but buggyists are supposed to have insurance from either BPKA, BKSA or SPKA (Scottish lot). Most clubs (SEKA, SWATK etc) insist on it even for occasional use of 'their' beaches and it was a condition of entry for competitions and events like the old Middle Wallop festival. We're covered by Unity for Scouting events but not necessarily anything else.
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Post by Gareth Williams on Aug 9, 2017 12:22:21 GMT
Ok I cant find out what "notified aerodrome" means but have downloaded a list of all licensed Aerodromes from the CAA site there are only three in Kent LASHENDEN (HEADCORN) LYDD ROCHESTER Two of these affect flying sites which are Lydd affecting Lade Car Park and The Rype in Lydd & Rochester which affects Capston's events field Steve, I haven't got time (or inclination) to read this, but it might provide some guidance
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Post by evets on Aug 10, 2017 8:10:40 GMT
It appears that the term "notified aerodrome" is used in certain documents but with no definition I might e-mail CAA and ask them what this term means!
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Post by malcolmf on Aug 22, 2017 14:48:58 GMT
At long last, I have got round to send an e-mail yesterday to Lydd Airport, so far no reply.
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Post by evets on Aug 23, 2017 10:24:41 GMT
I have been in touch with CAA asking for a definition of "notified aerodrome" and a list of all such in the County reply so far is we will reply to you within 20 days.
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Post by malcolmf on Aug 24, 2017 13:40:40 GMT
Good News
Please find the reply from Lydd Airport, which gives us the go-ahead to by the Lade Car Park, please note the instructions in regard to air-sea rescue helicopters, and obviously applies to police and air ambulance as well:
"Fortunately the specified location and limited altitude of your kite-flying activity - away from the landing and take-off flight paths - poses little risk to the Airport’s flight operations and so I have no objection to your continued use of that site.
I have CC’d the Operations Dept of the Search and Rescue/Coastguard helicopter base so the flight crews have a general awareness. I assume that kite fliers will lower their kites if they see a SAR helicopter approaching the beach.
You have no need to make telephone contact with Air Traffic Control. If I need any further information from you, I shall drop you a line.
Best regards
Tim Maskens BA (Hons) MA (Cantab.)
SATCO
London Ashford Airport Ltd.
Lydd Airport
Kent. TN29 9QL
tel. 01797 322421"
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Post by ekim on Aug 24, 2017 15:00:29 GMT
Good news Malcolm, well done. Do we need to get a similar approval from Rochester ATC for flying at Capstone(not that we fly there often)? Mike
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Post by malcolmf on Aug 24, 2017 15:25:57 GMT
Good news Malcolm, well done. Do we need to get a similar approval from Rochester ATC for flying at Capstone(not that we fly there often)? Mike No problem for Capstone Festival, as a separate CAA permit has always been applied for, in the last few years by me on behalf of KKF and Medway Council. We have not flown at Capstone for some time as a club venue, as when approached the park manager he wanted a fee of £300 for us as a club venue fopr each fly, as they have to open it up for parking and toilets. I know there are lots of dog walkers and cyclists who use the top field, but it seems we are the only ones who would have to pay a fee. I will raise the matter with the events organiser for Capstone Festival when I meet her in September. No doubt if we made it a formal meet operating under KKF insurance then we would ahve to go through the same procedure with Rochester as has happened with Lydd.
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Post by Gareth Williams on Aug 25, 2017 12:58:55 GMT
Good News Please find the reply from Lydd Airport, which gives us the go-ahead to by the Lade Car Park, please note the instructions in regard to air-sea rescue helicopters, and obviously applies to police and air ambulance as well: "Fortunately the specified location and limited altitude of your kite-flying activity - away from the landing and take-off flight paths - poses little risk to the Airport’s flight operations and so I have no objection to your continued use of that site. I have CC’d the Operations Dept of the Search and Rescue/Coastguard helicopter base so the flight crews have a general awareness. I assume that kite fliers will lower their kites if they see a SAR helicopter approaching the beach. You have no need to make telephone contact with Air Traffic Control. If I need any further information from you, I shall drop you a line. Best regards Tim Maskens BA (Hons) MA (Cantab.) SATCO London Ashford Airport Ltd. Lydd Airport Kent. TN29 9QL tel. 01797 322421" Brilliant. Thanks for your work on this Malcolm
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